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	<title>Comments on: Does &#8220;years of experience&#8221; matter for programmers?</title>
	<link>http://www.intertent.net/2008/02/08/does-years-of-experience-matter-for-programmers/</link>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.intertent.net/2008/02/08/does-years-of-experience-matter-for-programmers/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 05:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Itai: I was actually referring to 5 years of experience vs 1 year of experience.  And not complete newbie vs old hand.

I think the most important thing is not to screen resumes just based on someone not having the exact experience you need for the job, but reading between the lines and taking into consideration that specialized experience isn't always that valuable.

As to the question you pose: I think I'd interview them both and see how they are in person.
Is the Windows programmer aware that there's life outside of WinAPI?  Is he interested in software?  Does he actively learn new technologies?

It's nice that the new graduate read the book, but does he understand the material?  Does he have any interesting ideas on solving real world problems in RT systems?  Does he have sufficient experience to write a shipeable RT software?  Is he aware of pitfalls he might run into when developing an RT system?

I guess there is a case for or against both, but I'd definitely interview both of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Itai: I was actually referring to 5 years of experience vs 1 year of experience.  And not complete newbie vs old hand.</p>
<p>I think the most important thing is not to screen resumes just based on someone not having the exact experience you need for the job, but reading between the lines and taking into consideration that specialized experience isn&#8217;t always that valuable.</p>
<p>As to the question you pose: I think I&#8217;d interview them both and see how they are in person.<br />
Is the Windows programmer aware that there&#8217;s life outside of WinAPI?  Is he interested in software?  Does he actively learn new technologies?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice that the new graduate read the book, but does he understand the material?  Does he have any interesting ideas on solving real world problems in RT systems?  Does he have sufficient experience to write a shipeable RT software?  Is he aware of pitfalls he might run into when developing an RT system?</p>
<p>I guess there is a case for or against both, but I&#8217;d definitely interview both of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Itai</title>
		<link>http://www.intertent.net/2008/02/08/does-years-of-experience-matter-for-programmers/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Itai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.intertent.net/2008/02/08/does-years-of-experience-matter-for-programmers/#comment-20</guid>
		<description>Having worked with extremely clever unexperienced programmers - I have to say that general programming experience is priceless - and it would take someone fresh out of the academy at least a couple of years and some motivation to get his coding skills slick enough.

That being said - Specific knowledge in a technology (e.g. XML) is a silly requirement. I always feel awkward to write my technology list (ODBC, XML, COM, DCOM....) - how irrelevant is this - heh?

Lets take something extreme. A new position for someone writing RT software is open. You have on one hand an extremely clever, experienced programmer who only worked on WIN32 applications - doing some complicated stuff - but no RT.
On the other hand you have an extremely clever 24 year old software engineer fresh out of the uni - who did basic and advanced courses on RT systems, and already read the books you were going to give him to read when he started working.

All other things being equal - who would you prefer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having worked with extremely clever unexperienced programmers - I have to say that general programming experience is priceless - and it would take someone fresh out of the academy at least a couple of years and some motivation to get his coding skills slick enough.</p>
<p>That being said - Specific knowledge in a technology (e.g. XML) is a silly requirement. I always feel awkward to write my technology list (ODBC, XML, COM, DCOM&#8230;.) - how irrelevant is this - heh?</p>
<p>Lets take something extreme. A new position for someone writing RT software is open. You have on one hand an extremely clever, experienced programmer who only worked on WIN32 applications - doing some complicated stuff - but no RT.<br />
On the other hand you have an extremely clever 24 year old software engineer fresh out of the uni - who did basic and advanced courses on RT systems, and already read the books you were going to give him to read when he started working.</p>
<p>All other things being equal - who would you prefer?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.intertent.net/2008/02/08/does-years-of-experience-matter-for-programmers/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.intertent.net/2008/02/08/does-years-of-experience-matter-for-programmers/#comment-19</guid>
		<description>I guess the thing I'm always most concerned with is companies screening people who they don't think are appropriate based on "too little" experience or experience in doing things other than the exact area the job entails.

As to negative aspects of people with lots of experience.  I think you have to call them in for an interview to tell.  There are people with an amazing amount of experience who are very flexible and always into learning new things.  And there are those with little experience who have one way of doing thing which you can't budge them from.

These are definitely things to look out for in an interview - but for that you have to call them in, and not trash their resume because they lack 5 years of experience with XML.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the thing I&#8217;m always most concerned with is companies screening people who they don&#8217;t think are appropriate based on &#8220;too little&#8221; experience or experience in doing things other than the exact area the job entails.</p>
<p>As to negative aspects of people with lots of experience.  I think you have to call them in for an interview to tell.  There are people with an amazing amount of experience who are very flexible and always into learning new things.  And there are those with little experience who have one way of doing thing which you can&#8217;t budge them from.</p>
<p>These are definitely things to look out for in an interview - but for that you have to call them in, and not trash their resume because they lack 5 years of experience with XML.</p>
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		<title>By: Yossi Kreinin</title>
		<link>http://www.intertent.net/2008/02/08/does-years-of-experience-matter-for-programmers/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Yossi Kreinin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.intertent.net/2008/02/08/does-years-of-experience-matter-for-programmers/#comment-18</guid>
		<description>Oops. I meant "... know /how/ it should be done".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. I meant &#8220;&#8230; know /how/ it should be done&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Yossi Kreinin</title>
		<link>http://www.intertent.net/2008/02/08/does-years-of-experience-matter-for-programmers/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Yossi Kreinin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.intertent.net/2008/02/08/does-years-of-experience-matter-for-programmers/#comment-17</guid>
		<description>One negative side effect of experience is the assumption that "I've already done that and I know it should be done", when in fact the new problem is critically different from the old problem. Some people tend to develop this bias more than others, but I don't think it can be completely avoided.

I don't know whether this effect has "commercial significance" comparable to the problems caused by lack of experience. Maybe I'm overestimating the importance of this because generic rule-based judgment (as opposed to problem-specific logical arguments) really, really bugs me :)

Another problem with having lots of experience is the loss of drive. "C'mon, I've been through this a zillion times already..."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One negative side effect of experience is the assumption that &#8220;I&#8217;ve already done that and I know it should be done&#8221;, when in fact the new problem is critically different from the old problem. Some people tend to develop this bias more than others, but I don&#8217;t think it can be completely avoided.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know whether this effect has &#8220;commercial significance&#8221; comparable to the problems caused by lack of experience. Maybe I&#8217;m overestimating the importance of this because generic rule-based judgment (as opposed to problem-specific logical arguments) really, really bugs me <img src='http://www.intertent.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Another problem with having lots of experience is the loss of drive. &#8220;C&#8217;mon, I&#8217;ve been through this a zillion times already&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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